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if he was being honest going all the way back to george h.w. bush in 1992, the republicans take a run into that state at the last minute. and they never carry that state. there are fundamental structural problems for them in pennsylvania. i think that what's happened here -- >> they're putting a -- >> he can't carry ohio. he can't crack ohio so he's searching for pennsylvania. >> hold on, buddy. unlike past years, look, i understand there have been saints, particularly in 2008, into pennsylvania, which makes no sense at all. i happen to agree with you. now a fortune from superpacs is being put into pennsylvania and being followed up on the ground with romney going there. bob shrum, that's what makes it more interesting. and i want to let ed continue. that's what makes it more interesting. >> you know, in pennsylvania they elected a republican senator in 2010 and they've got a republican governor. so it's not completely foreign territory. >> 2010. a presidential year are quite different. and you know it, ed. >> that's right. it's been tough for us since 1988. but that said, it's in pla
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